We’ve spent a lot of time talking about workers – where they have been beaten up for the last 40 years and how the last 15 years have if anything been worse. We outlined a way out of the problem as well by taking on the overhead per employee in an effort to make labor cheaper.
But what about capital? While this has been a good time to be rich there hasn’t been a good place to invest money, leaving much of it parked on the sidelines. Part of the prediction for a big change after 2017 is a big turnaround in investment, which has been low lately. Where will that money come from?
There are many conflicting views of the US stock market today and they are all based on a fundamental question. Are we in a bear market or a bull market? It’s not a minor question. Investment strategies are very different based on the momentum of the market, with a bear favoring capital preservation and a bull favoring growth.
It’s hard to argue with the big gain since 2010, but it’s still not back to the 2000 high in inflation adjusted terms.
One of my favorite investors John Mauldin has an excellent piece with a summary of the bull cases and a much longer analysis of why he believes we are in a secular bear market. The term “secular” means not permanent but lasting such a long time it feels like it. The case for a secular bear since 2000 is easy to make and definitely points to continued capital preservation for the wise investor.
That’s not good for creating a boom, however. In order to turn this thing around a growth mindset springing from a real bull market is needed.
Mauldin doesn’t see that coming for some very good reasons, the largest one being the high valuation already built into the market. Today’s Shiller or multiple year Price to Earnings Ratio (PE) of 27 is quite high, and nowhere near range of 10 or so that signals the start of a bull market, at least in historic terms:
Bank of America looks at history a little differently, and by overlaying “generational lows” in the stock market, like the one we saw in 2009, predicts a strong bull starting about 2017 (there’s that year again!) but only after a pullback of as much as 20%. This number is important because it answers Mauldin’s belief that prices are already too high at least in part.
The inverse of the PE ratio, expressed as a percent, shows the expected return from the market against more passive investments in bonds or other things tied to interest rates. Today’s PE of 27 is 3.7%, the low end of a corporate bond rate. A 20% pullback would give us a PE around 22 or a rate of 4.5%, a number that makes a lot of sense. So we have that going for us.
Historically low interest rates, if they stay well below 5%, justify a higher PE and raise the potential for a new bull market. But what could possible tip it over into a wave of investment?
Let’s check in with China, the place where an awful lot of US money has gone over the last few decades.
The collapse of the Shanghai stock market was stopped for a moment, but don’t be fooled. Most of the companies on the exchange are still suspended, and everyone who owns over 5% of a company is not allowed to sell for 30 days. The government, still authoritarian, has basically told traders “Sell and you die”. That’s one way to stop a panic, eh?
It can’t hold this way forever. Chinese investors need a way out, and they may yet get one. It involves their currency, the Yuan aka Renminbi (“people’s currency”) aka RMB. It’s about to become a genuine world currency recognized by the IMF, perhaps as early as this October. That means that it will be tradable on world markets and fully convertible with everything in the world. Chinese tycoons who made a lot of the stuff can now turn it into something else.
Yes, that will happen. Anyone holding a lot of RMB, still under the watchful eyes of Chinese authorities, will turn it into anything they can. Much of that will be US dollars, you can be sure.
The entire play on the Shanghai exchange has been based on the idea that China has kept RMB low all these years to keep exports cheap, so relaxing restrictions should make RMB rise as money pours into China. But the opposite is far more likely, especially with this stock market fiasco. Money leaving China is more likely to be parked in the US as a safe haven using the same logic of any bear market. But once here, that could be the signal that finally pushes us into bull territory as the serious investment begins.
Yes, all that money that went to China might well come back. First as a panic and then as a catalyst for serious change.
So who is right about the market today? I can’t make the case that we are in anything but a secular bear market and that a correction is coming in the short term. But in the long term, where it’s less clear, there is potential for real gain. It depends on a solid correction, a big source of new investment, and interest rates remaining low to justify higher PE ratios than we have seen historically.
That may not seem likely since it depends on a lot of unusual circumstances. But the arguments for bull and bear are given here in links and you can decide for yourself. There is definitely are turning points here in 2015 before the path ahead becomes clearer and they are worth paying attention to.
Keep your eyes on the Fed (slow to raise rates), China (renewed market collapse) and finally Wall Street (decent size correction). At the end of this pivotal year we’ll talk again.
Good review of things, but I’m not sure that the Chinese will buy into the US$. They may well go for some of the other BRIC countries to strengthn their position.
We are talking about individual investors, not the government. I expect a flight to quality at the first chance they get. They will be investing in a way to protect capital first, but that could be the spark that ignites a bull market and investment for gain.
It’s all a bit ironic in a way, but I see this as the spark. More on the next comment.
I look forward to the next comment.
I don’t think you made a good case for a coming bull market. PE ratios are still very high and interest rates are only going to go up from here. There has to be a big growth in earnings to power a new bull market. I like what Mauldin said much better, excellent & timely link.
The setup comes before 2015. We need a market correction I think before we can settle into the right pattern. But there is a chance for more capital investment.
It didn’t make it into this post, but capital investment is coming back after the 2009 dive. That’s the key. With that comes hiring, and eventually full employment. We have to see that come around 2017, as I’ve said, and the capital investment is right on track for that.
The real trick is for all this to occur and to maintain a low inflation regime. I think the retiring Boomers will help with that. If interest rates can remain historically low we have a real shot at a high PE start to the bull market.
Again, I’m not dismissing Mauldin’s work. It’s good. But there is a way past this, I think, into a real bull.
It would be nice if we had some support from Congress and Europe in this, too. That’s the really ugly part.
I still don’t get why you think a correction is necessary then. If a lot of money comes from China won’t stocks just rise?
I don’t see the capital controls being lifted right away in China, but gradually over a period of a few years.
The correction comes as profits take a beating because investment goes up. Right now, companies have been milking their profits and sitting on cash – or, at least, they were. A correction will come logically as they set up for investment in the future, which they do appear to be doing – if slowly.
So the timing is a correction before October, Chinese money coming in after that to make the correction short lived, and a real bull starting not before 2017 as the fruits of the investment start coming in.
That suggests, again, that Europe turns around or is at least not looking like a basket case by then. That’s the worst part of this bet from what I can tell.
The real bull can’t possibly start until there has been more investment and it starts to bear fruit (literally, creating an economic “spring”) so there is a lot of delay in here.
My investment advice is to look for high PE companies that are taking a beating on earnings because they are investing in themselves. But, as always, you can’t time this because the horizons will be longish.
I think there is a long way to go before we have a bull market. It is so over valued right now.
Seventy years ago in Potsdam Germany the USSR USA and UK were planning the course of what was to be the remainder of the war.
Americans didn’t want to enter that war. But once the war was underway the demand for labor was limitless because winning the war was an emergency situation.
As an example the US produced 295,959 airplanes.
As long as there is demand … 🙂
Where is John Maynard Keynes now that we have needed him? Bless his soul.
Yes, bless him!
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